Thursday, August 16, 2007

What Catholic Belief(s) Do You Hold Just Because The Church Says It's True?

Yesterday my Priest said a quite blunt comment in his Homily on the Feast of the Assumption. That is if you don't believe Mary is body and soul in Heaven right now you can't be a Catholic. That is it one of the biggies. That is quite true. That belief is not up to debate. Now one as in all things can have doubts. That is normal. But it is a part of our faith that is not "optional"

There was a great blog called Pontifications. It is sad that his old blog after it got hacked got lost in the ether of the net. He had a quote from Cardianl Newman I would love to find again.

Basically Cardinal Newman(who was one of the biggie converts) said that if there are not Catholic beliefs that you accept just on the basis that the Church says its true then you have not thought enough about your faith. I think that is so true.

This is not the quote from Newman I am looking for but he hits on it here.

It came a point ,by the use of my reason ,that I discovered that the Catholic Church was so right on so many things that I had to give it the authority to bind me on that 2 percent I still had questions and doubts about. On that 2 percent I will go on faith on the Church.

Here are my two things.

First is the Virgin Birth. Now I am not talking about the fact she conceived as Virgin or that she did never had sexual relations with any man. I have never had a problem with that. I am talking about the actual birth itself. Catholic doctrine appears to say, for the lack of a better word, that her physical integrity remained intact during the birth. In other words Jesus got out in some other way. The Church iappears to shy away from this topic because they think it is sort of uncouth to talk about. But I have to admit I struggle with this.

Why? I don't know.If God can become man and turn Bread and Wine into his body and blood this seems of little concern. Still I think about it. Did Christ just sort of just go through solid matter? I guess I wonder why this is so important anyway. But I assent to it because the Catholic Church says its true

The other matter is what happens when we die. The scriptures involving Jesus raising Lazurus from the dead I never find comforting. It raises too many questions. What would be the first thing you would ask Lazurus? I would be going where were you at? How was Sheol? Who was there? We know Christ while he was dead went to preach the good news to these folks. Another verse that always perplexes me is this verse from Matthew:
""Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."


Everytime I hear this verse those doubts come up a tad. What did these folks say? Where did they go? Did they live normal lives? How come I can't find another reference to this incredible event in scriptures or in secular history. People that were dead now alive. I suppose these people had to make a living afterwards and go to work. What did their co workers think? How come we don't hear more about this. Could they have children? Did they write a book called " I was there and Now I am back"? Did they appear and go to Heaven with Jesus in the ascension? I don't know.

So it is tempting to think this is evidence for a doctrine that the Seventh Day Adventist preach. That is soul sleep. basically you are jut there in the grave till the second coming.

However the early Church had no problem with this. So like Cardinal Newman said use of reason we only get so far with it. You have to have faith.

I have concluded that the Church that is right on 98 percent of the things I can reason out after being presented their case.

Therefore it is right on this 2 percent I have problems with. Therefore I proclaim it and believe it as true. At some point Apologetics will only get you so far. Faith has to come into the picture.

So what are your beliefs that you have to accept just on the authority of the Church?

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

OK, without reference to Google or anything, here are my two cents:

The Papacy has only made two unfalliable statements since the doctrine of Infalliablity was promulgated in the late 1800s (with Vatican I); one is the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary, and the other is the Assumption of Mary.

The official Catholic ruling on Mary is that she was "ever Virgin"; never had sex, never wanted sex, and had a child without it violating her viginity in either direction (coming or going), and that those who are described as Jesus's "brothers" in Scripture are really his cousins (or possibily his half-brothers, via Joseph).

This is based on the Augustinian view that there is something hinky about sex, and that our goal as Christians is to strive for a live lived totally for God and without sex. In my extremely humble, unlettered opinion, it's high time that the Catholic Church accepted that as humans, we are humans body and soul, and that there is nothing wrong with sex per se.

As a sidebar: you can be a good Catholic without believing in any given Marian apparition (Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima, et al).

Kathryn
www.fromtherecamier.org

James H said...

That is true as to the appariations.

I agree with you that the Augustian view or at least perceptions of it had too much sway on the ground.

The good thing about the Marian doctrines is that the Eastern Orthodox( that were never influenced by Augustine) have soemwhat similar views. So that helps in the "faith" department

Anonymous said...

It was my understanding that the Eastern Orthodox don't believe in the Immaculate Conception...I could be wrong though.

I don't think the Church teaches that sex is bad. But it can be misused. The whole point of marriage is procreation - and of course any sexual activity is not allowed in any other circumstance. So sex in marriage is encouraged and seen as a good. Of course over 50 years ago, a married couple didn't even sleep in the same bed. I've never been able to figure out why though.

And priestly celibacy is a Tradition, and it's Scriptural in that St. Paul lauded the single life as a vocation (and thus celibacy for the sake of the Kingdom).