Monday, September 13, 2010

Can A Catholic Vote For Castle in Delaware- Well This Year YES!!

Pro -Ecclesia is making the obvious case that Senator Castle is problematic. See Mike Castle and the "Deadly Dozen" Well yes he is no doubt. Also in the Republican primary alone it is clear that just by looking at the issues alone that Christian O’Donnell would be the obvious Catholic choice.

Now let me say I think there are people of good will on all sides of this.

However this is the problem. I think most evidence shows that O'Donnell cannot win the general. Pro-Ecclesia says:
And those who desire to vote out of principle for Castle's conservative pro-life opponent are derided by the more "sophisticated" pragmatists as short-sighted, nuts, and/or (as Prof. Bainbridge would have it) "holier than thou".Someone remind me again why it is we should return the Stupid Party to power?

Ok fair enough. However before we get to the stupid party the question must be asked. Is this "O Donnell" the best the pro-life movements and conservatives can come up with after all these years? This is the choice?

Now I know the tea party is involved in this. We are starting to see a pattern. That is perhaps the Tea Party does not vet it folks very well. This is crucial in a populist movement because well populist movements produce lets say some interesting folks.

So before we get to blaming the GOP we need to look at the people various counter movements are producing.

Now people of good faith can disagree but I like many conservatives think well there is just something wrong with O'Donnell. I mean allegations that her home was burglarized by Castle supporters and other statements make her one statement away from being in conspiracy land. Then we have this latest drama that was reported over the weekend.

See Citing "Mental Anguish," Christine O'Donnell Sought $6.9 Million in Gender Discrimination Lawsuit Against Conservative Group...and falsely implied she was taking master's degree classes at Princeton.

At some point one gets really concerned. Further what if just half this weird stuff is true? Do we really want that to be the Public voice of the pro-life movement in Delaware? Do we want that going national?

Now Rand Paul is far more Libertarian than me and he is a rather bold choice in Kentucky. However it seems the party as a whole is behind him. I think Angle is very problematic in Nevada. She had major pro-life and Tea Party support. We see a race there if had picked another one of her naerly the money we are. Still the party is united behind her.

As to O'Donnell is this a place to really draw a line in the sand on? We have our hands full already.

In the end I don't blame the GOP, I blame the Tea Party and elements of the pro-life movement in Delaware for giving us this choice. What have they been doing for six years.

So can a Catholic vote for O'Donnell? If this was a case where the GOP person was a sure fired person to win then well maybe you would have too. However this is not the case.

Gaining control of the Senate is crucial. By gaining control one gets controls the committees in Congress which is about half the game. I think the pro-life cause will not benefit in any way by losing a chance at that for a short term symbolic victory in a Republican primary.

Now I would like to direct your attention to this: Ten Easy Steps to… Voting with a Clear Conscience by Priests For Life.

One of the two of them will be elected; there is no question about that. So you are not free right now, in this race, to really choose the candidate you want. Forces beyond your control have already limited your choices. Whichever way the election goes, the one elected will not have the position we want elected officials to have on abortion.

In this case, it is morally acceptable to vote for the candidate who will do less harm. This is not "choosing the lesser of two evils." We may never choose evil. But in the case described above, you would not be choosing evil. Why? Because in choosing to limit an evil, you are choosing a good.
You oppose the evil of abortion, in every circumstance, no matter what. You know that no law can legitimize even a single abortion, ever. If the candidate thinks some abortion is OK, you don't agree.

But by your vote, you can keep the worse person out. And trying to do that is not only legitimate, but good. Some may think it's not the best strategy. But if your question is whether it is morally permissible to vote for the better of two bad candidates, the answer -- in the case described above -- is yes.

Cardinal John O’Connor, in a special booklet on abortion, once wrote about this problem, “Suppose all candidates support ‘abortion rights’? … One could try to determine whether the position of one candidate is less supportive of abortion than that of another. Other things being equal, one might then morally vote for a less supportive position. If all candidates support "abortion rights" equally, one might vote for the candidate who seems best in regard to other issues” (1990, “Abortion: Questions and Answers”).

In this context, the question also arises as to whether one is required to vote for a third candidate who does not have a strong base of support but does have the right position. The answer is, no, you are not required to vote for this candidate. The reason is that your vote is not a canonization of a candidate. It is a transfer of power. You have to look concretely at where the power is really going to be transferred, and use your vote not to make a statement but to help bring about the most acceptable results under the circumstances.

Of course, our conscience may be telling us, “Don’t say it’s impossible to elect the candidate who doesn’t have a strong base of support.” Of course, it is possible to elect almost anyone if the necessary work is done within the necessary time. God doesn’t ask us to base our choices on “the possibility of miracles,” but rather on solid human reason. The point is that if there’s a relatively unknown but excellent candidate, the time to begin building up support for that person’s candidacy is several years before the election, not several months. What you have to ask as Election Day draws near is whether your vote is needed to keep the worse candidate (of the two, less acceptable but more realistic choices) out of office
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My human reason tells me that if O'Donnell wins the GOP primary then she loses to the Democrat. Thus I will limited the damage to the pro-life movement by voting for the pro-choice Republican that at least gives us a chance to minimize pro choice and other anti Catholic initiatives by putting the Committees in "somewhat" friendlier hands.

People can disagree with my reasoning but I don't think it is out there. Hopefully in six years we shall have a better choice.

Again this seems to be a rather extreme case. If I though O'Donnell had a remote chance I might be saying something different. In the end the issue is trying to use reason to trying to figure out what Delaware voters will do. They are the real issue. At this point I am not seeing them go for O'Donnell.

6 comments:

Pro Ecclesia said...

You can favor whomever you'd like, but that's a pretty weak "pro-life" case for supporting Castle.

In fact, I will go so far as to say there is NO pro-life case in favor of supporting Castle. And the Catholic case for supporting a Catholic in the pro-life party who is one of the most pro-abort, pro-ESCR persons in Congress is non-existent.

The chances of a Castle win being THE seat that puts the Senate in GOP hands is VERY speculative, at best. But the chances of Castle being a pro-abortion, left-wing thorn in the side of the Senate GOP (not to mention a scandal to the Catholic faithful as a high-profile, vocal pro-abort Catholic in the pro-life party) is 100%.

Castle can do SERIOUS damage to the pro-life cause as the "bipartisan" go-to guy on issues like ESCR, abortion legislation, judges, etc.

Besides, if a GOP majority in the Senate can't be attained without supporting the pro-abort Catholic RINO Mike Castle, what the hell is the point? I mean, if one can support Mike Castle and remain "principled" is there ANY Republican (apart from David Duke) that one shouldn't vote for?

Pro Ecclesia said...

And that's not even mentioning the example voting for Castle sets for those Catholics who wish to support pro-aborts in other circumstances. It completely undermines the Catholic argument against supporting pro-abort politicians when people like the Voxers and Catholics United can point to examples of pro-lifers engaging in "hypocrisy" by voting for Castle.

Good luck explaining the nuance in your argument as to why a vote for Castle is okay but a vote for Pelosi or Kerry or Biden, etc., is not.

James H said...

I don't think the article is weak or nuanced

First this woman has some serious other problems. This now 11th hour attack that is coming from her Camp that Castle voted to impeach BUSH is Crazy!!

I am not sure I just can ignore what seems to be tendency to mislead, these weird lawsuits, some of this conspiracy stuff, the strange financial stuff in the background and other matters just because she is pro-life. Then the question becomes is she the pro-life leader we want associated with all this. I can take some weirdness with a GOP person (goodness I am supporting Vitter) but this seems extreme to me

I guess what I am saying is I don't see the General and primary as races in isolation. I see them as parts of one strategic race.

If she did not seem so flawed in so many things I would not be raising a ruckus so much but this is just getting too much.

As to my Committee argument I don't think that is just a minor consideration. Defeating Castle and then losing the general (which I think is a safe bet) and thus losing the chance to control the Senate is huge. It will play a huge part in stopping a lot of what Obama wants and yes this will slow down a good bit of the pro choice stuff. I am not sure that should be just thrown away.

I think this is a very particular race with very particular circumstances.

I am very afraid of her lurking problems and once she gets on the stump the Dems will trying to use her as ICON of the Tea Party and other pro-lifers and that in fact might hurt other pro-lifers running in other States.

Maybe I am totally wrong about her but she though not he David Duke extreme I am really concerned about mental fitness for Public Office.

In any event Castle appears because of age likley to be a one term guy. Mitigagte the damage now and pro-lifers can start working to get behind someone that can take his place or if it comes to it run against him

Again to me these are particular circumstances and she just see like a disaster to me. So yes looking at what has come out the last several weeks on her I don;t feel I will have any problems defending myself against Catholic United types.

She seems like a investigation waiting to happen and I don't see why that should be tied to the Pro-life movement

Pro Ecclesia said...

It's not about voting FOR her. I'm not sure I would. But that's not the point.

I can understand why someone identifying as a Republican might want to support Castle for purposes of achieving power. In order to gain power, you need an "R" next to the name. But I absolutely draw the line and call BS on any attempt to justify that vote for one of the most egregious anti-life Catholics in Congress as being "more pro-life" than voting for his ... you know ... ACTUAL pro-life opponent. To try to justify such a vote as "limiting the damage to the pro-life movement" is a rendering of the words so as make them absolutely meaningless.

There is absolutely NO pro-life argument in favor of Mike Castle. Because of his horrific record on the unborn, and because his identification as a Catholic makes his record doubly scandalous, I would NEVER vote for him under ANY circumstances, regardless of the shortcomings of his opponent.

In the end, I'm a socially conservative Catholic voter, and not a Republican, so I have absolutely no problem with seeing the seat stay Dem rather than having an outspokenly pro-abort, pro-ESCR Catholic sitting in the seat and undermining the pro-lifers within his own party.

Heather said...

If this ding bat wins, then Castle should run as a Independent and then he will beat her by 25 points!!!!!!

James H said...

"There is absolutely NO pro-life argument in favor of Mike Castle. Because of his horrific record on the unborn, and because his identification as a Catholic makes his record doubly scandalous, I would NEVER vote for him under ANY circumstances, regardless of the shortcomings of his opponent."

The main thing I see in the comment above that has merit is the fact that he is a Catholic which is indeed a scandal

"In the end, I'm a socially conservative Catholic voter, and not a Republican, so I have absolutely no problem with seeing the seat stay Dem rather than having an outspokenly pro-abort, pro-ESCR Catholic sitting in the seat and undermining the pro-lifers within his own party."

If we get Pro Life Dem Senators will not the DEM undermine them
too?

"BS on any attempt to justify that vote for one of the most egregious anti-life Catholics in Congress as being "more pro-life" than voting for his ... you know ... ACTUAL pro-life opponent."

I think the argument for Pro lifers is that this tries to mitigate the damage that is likely to occur