Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Crazy Episcopalians With Their " Crazy God " Take Step Toward Communion Without Baptism ( Updated )

UPDATE- The House of Bishops came in and save the day it appears

..The House of Bishops passed the following (#C029 amended) regarding Baptism and Communion: "Resolved, the House of Deputies concurring, that The Episcopal Church reaffirms that baptism is the ancient and normative entry point to receiving Holy Communion and that our Lord Jesus Christ calls us to go into the world and baptize all peoples. "


Bishops eliminated: "We also acknowledge that in various local contexts there is the exercise of pastoral sensitivity with those who are not yet baptized.

So at least we can be thankful for that

I have to admit I am tad shocked by today's developments over in the Episcopal Church on this matter. I still have hopes this will not get the required voted in their House of Bishops. See Resolution C029 on Communion for the Unbaptized Passes House of Deputies on a vote by orders



From Deputies Walk Fine Line on Open Communion (the BOLDING IS MINE)

A pastoral attempt to walk a fine line on open communion passed the House of Deputies Wednesday by 77 percent among the laity and 64 percent among the clergy.



C029, “Access to Holy Baptism and Holy Communion,” is a complete substitution of resolutions calling for open communion throughout the Church. Instead of making canonical changes, it “reaffirms that baptism is the ancient and normative entry point to receiving Holy Communion and that our Lord Jesus Christ calls us to go into the world and baptize all peoples.” The resolution also acknowledges that “in various local contexts there is the exercise of pastoral sensitivity with those who are not yet baptized.”


That acknowledgement of communing the unbaptized was the cause of spirited debate in Deputies.


The Rev. Canon Dennis Blauser, Northwestern Pennsylvania, chair of the Deputies committee, urged approval of the resolution, saying that “we believe that much theology and reflection be done during the next triennium by bishops and dioceses with the continued guidance of the Holy Spirit.”


The Rev. Canon Neal Michel, Dallas, asked that the resolution drop the reference to the “exercise of pastoral sensitivity,” saying that “at a time when the whole issue of authority is before us … it is not helpful to send a message that” the Church tacitly supports a change in the doctrine of the Church.


The Rev. Susan Buchanan, New Hampshire, a member of the Evangelism Committee, countered Michel’s amendment: “At the hearings, the conversation around this was eye-opening, grace-filled and fabulous,” she said. “We heard the witness clearly and passionately of the freedom of the Holy Spirit to work through our structures … and in spite of them. Baptism is our normative practice, and that does not and never will prevent the Holy Spirit from pouring out God’s grace.”


She continued: “We are crazy Christians because we have a crazy God. There is nothing normative about how the Holy Spirit works. Many of us do offer an open table, but we’re Episcopalians, and we so often live and move and have our being in that middle area of tension, of mystery, of both-and. Before us is a resolution not amended that is both-and. I urge us to continue to live into that both-and world and continue our conversations about it.”

That attempt to amend the resolution, as well as an amendment to the amendment, were both defeated.


–By Lauren R. Stanley

Lord have mercy. 2000 years of constant Christian practice on this and the Crazy God / Crazy Holy Spirit in some room in Indianapolis sort of says different?

About feeling the Holy Spirit I think this Anglican had something to note in regards to this at Please stop blaming the Holy Spirit for your own stupidity

From the above Titusonenine link and comments:

An Alaskan deputy’s comments in a blog entry tonight:



http://alaskanepiscopalian.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/open-communion-pastoral-sensitivity-acknowledged-in-local-contexts/


(emphasis is added)


6:30 pm, Indianapolis, July 11, 2012


In what is being widely seen as a move toward formal recognition of the practice of “open communion,” the House of Deputies has approved resolution C029, stating in part, “baptism is the ancient and normative entry point to receiving Holy Communion, and that our Lord Jesus Christ calls us to go into thevworld and baptize all peoples. We also acknowledge that in various local contexts there is the exercise of pastoral sensitivity with those who are not yet baptized.”


Discussion and debate included note of the understanding that, “normative” is “that which has been usual”.


YES. THIS DEPUTY GETS IT. Just as all the talk about “generous pastoral response” was a prelude to SSBs being authorized…


How does that little ditty go? “Second verse, same as the first…”


That is what’s happening here.








4 comments:

The Underground Pewster said...

Nuts

James H said...

I truly thought this would not pass the House of Deputies today. It seemed so outlandish just a few months ago

SJ Reidhead said...

This is not something new. "EXPLANATION
It is becoming increasingly common across the Church to invite any person who seeks a deeper understanding of God through Christ to partake of Holy Communion, notwithstanding the explicit provisions of Canon 1.17.7.The House of Deputies of the 74th General Convention (2003) called for such a study by adopting Resolution 2003-A089. That resolution was referred by the House of Bishops to its Committee on Theology and was not enacted. Subsequently, Resolution 2006-D084 of the 75th General Convention called on the Theology Committee of the House of Bishops, in consultation with the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music, to provide to the 76th General Convention a pastoral and theological understanding of the relationship between Holy Baptism and eucharistic practice. This resolution repeats these calls. "

What's the use? I agree with the resolution. I have a very real problem with the Anglicans who continue to make trouble. They don't bother mentioning that they are not part of the "Anglican Communion" but the ECUSA STILL is.

This is getting so old. I've reached the point where I no longer care. I'm so sick of dealing with the break-away Anglicans and the trouble they are making for local parishes (Trust me on this one) that I'm at the point where I'm happy thumbing my nose at them. It's not a very Christian thing to say, but their actions aren't exactly all that Christian.

SJR
The Pink Flamingo

James H said...

SJR

I am not sure the explanation was attached that actually dealt with the actual text that passed the HOD which was a problem pointed out by others. From what I can tell there was a large degree of dismay from those attending that opposed this in the HOD. I think it was a much more radical step.

However as I am about to amend my post it appears the HOB saved the day on this today