What is going through these people's minds!!! I mean I think they have convinced themselves they have a RIGHT too do this. See this BS at Louisiana ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 )
It is time the other schools in the University Of Louisiana system start playing hardball. Also If the Lafayette media continues to go along with this nonsense and even promote it they should be banned from covering sporting events at any other University of Louisiana school. PERIOD.
ATTENTION there is no UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA. You don't have the right to that name. You are the University of Louisiana Lafayette. DEAL WITH IT!!!
Further ULM (University of Louisiana Monroe) needs to take action within the sunbelt conference too to stop all this.
Update- Corrected for grammar Nazi in the comments.
Let me add one other thing. For all ULL people stopping by. If you can answer this question to me to my satisfaction I will cahnge my viewpoint. What give ULL to be called the "Louisiana" or the "University of Louisiana" and not ULM. What is the difference? Why does ULL have the right to do that and not ULM?
I don't listen to people who don't know the difference between 'to' and 'too'.
ReplyDeleteOh well. Thanks for your input.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the first Anon. Based on grammar alone, I don't think you have the credentials to formulate an opinion regarding ANY realm of higher education.
ReplyDeleteOh whatever. Yeah on this blog I not careful with Grammar. A problem I picked up by being too lazy not proofreading what I do on the net before I hit the enter key.
ReplyDeleteStill you get the underlying argument and that cannot be wished away. Why does ULL have a right to be called Louisiana or University of Louisiana and place like ULM do not?
What is the answer? How come that is being avoided?
If ULL wants a name change go to the Legislature and stop these monkeyshines. make your case there.
I am sure you are capable of researching the topic yourself. To summarize, in 1984, USL legally changed it's name to the University of Lousiana. My degree was awarded from UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA. Soon after the name change, the lawmakers that wear purple panties felt that this threatened their beloved 'flagship' university. They created a law (Act 45) which strategically isolated LSU as the only public institution that will allow it's balls to drop. This was passed by the largely dominant LSU alum holding political office. The name change was reversed. This became known as the 'LSU law'. By the law, USL needed a second institution to come on board with them. In 1999, Northeast followed in their footsteps.
ReplyDelete"By the law, USL needed a second institution to come on board with them. In 1999, Northeast followed in their footsteps."
ReplyDeleteExcept it was quite clear that there would be no Flagship in the University of Louisiana system. Which it appears to be the aim of ULL by doing this.
I mean this sort of makes ULM look like LSU-E or LSU -S or LSU -A.
When we started the University of Louisiana system I think the understanding was there would be none of this.
I don;t think it is just LSU alumni and friends that are concerned.
As an opinionated Catholic myself, I would think that your comments would be better spent on issues concerning the problems in our community and country that we are currently facing today. How do what Cajun fans, alumni and the news media call the local university adversely affect your daily life? The problem is yours and not this website that has you bloviating on a subject that makes you, and others look like permanent members of the state better none as the banana republic. Only in Louisiana would people seek to protect their own personal interest through law or designation without a public vote, and yet this is exactly what took place with the so-called name lawsuit. Instead of constantly whining about what ULL, Louisiana, Louisiana-Lafayette, UL or any other acronym you want to use calls itself, ULM and other state university’s time would be better spent on building endowments, securing research grants, growing economic opportunities and improving higher education in their own communities.
ReplyDeleteI can assure you, there are many people like myself that don’t necessarily agree with your use of Catholic to draw special attention to your opinions on a website. The difference is, my day or time is not consumed with what you call yourself on this website. Finally, as a opinionated Catholic Cajun alumnus and fan, you will never tell me what I can or cannot call my university.
James,
ReplyDeletePersonally, I want to thank you for writing this. Your comments have driven a great deal of traffic to our website, ultoday.com.
That in turn helps us promote UL and the great things that are happening on and around campus.
Thanks so much!
"Personally, I want to thank you for writing this. Your comments have driven a great deal of traffic to our website, ultoday.com.
ReplyDeleteThat in turn helps us promote UL and the great things that are happening on and around campus.
Thanks so much!"
Thank you. Let me be Clear I have no hatred toward ULL. In fact in my college days my best friends were from the then USL.
If then then USL had marketed better to this north louisiana boy in high school I might have attended
I am odd a bird with both a La Tech and and a LSU degree.
I guess what gets me on this subject so fired up is my La Tech degree.
If WE ARE THE LOUISIANA uNIVERSTY SYSTEM then we don't need to be playing these games.
We are all in the same boat
James, let me make sure I have all the facts correct. You are a Tech and LSU graduate, which is upset about our website using UL, in defense of ULM and Tech? Is it not Louisiana Tech that has belittled ULM at ever turn, refusing to remain in the Sun Belt if they became a member and refusing to play them in football? Is it not your politicians in Baton Rouge that have suggested because of budget cuts, that ULM consolidate with Louisiana Tech in the UL-System? It was our university that voted for their membership in the Sun Belt, even after their president voted against our name change in 1982. They eventually received full Sun Belt membership because of our vote and we got screwed! As for being the Flagg Ship of the UL-System, I could care less about it.
ReplyDeleteWe already have one corrupt political machine in Baton Rouge known as LSU and its Flagg Ship agenda. Of course being a graduate of LSU, I’m sure you could care less if most of the schools in the UL-System become junior colleges. More money for LSU in the end! Rank hypocrisy!
It's doubtful that I would be able to sway your opinion, but being a fairly objective outsider (I'm a Yankee from the Northeast; I moved down here 2 years ago) I think I can see some validity to the argument that "ULL" should be the flagship university of the University of Louisiana school system as oppose to "ULM". As far as I can tell ULL has an enrollment of approximately double that of ULM, and ULL was founded over 30 years before ULM. Logic would dictate that in any University system a flagship school, if one were to exist, is going to be the largest of the Universities in the system.
ReplyDeleteI think it would be a smart idea to establish ULL as the flagship UL for a few reasons. The first, like LSU of the LSU school system it would then establish a second major University in the state of Louisiana. From an academic standpoint by establishing ULL as the second major state university in Louisiana more out of state students would begin to apply, which would set off a chain reaction eventually raising their academic reputation. With a larger number of out of state students applying some would have to be rejected, which would then in turn raise the competitiveness and eventually the in state student standards would have to be raised as well to match.
I see no downside to having two reputable state universities in Louisiana. From an outsider's perspective LSU is not really considered an academic school. I know they do have some very good academic programs, and I do not wish to belittle them. However, every single one of my friends from high school that even looked at any major public university in the SEC were looking for a solid backup school that they knew they could party at and watch some amazing football games.
Obviously my opinions are all shaped by anecdotal evidence, but based on slightly more concrete figures, the incoming freshman classes this year at UVA for comparison, the mid 50% scored between 27-32 on the ACT. LSU for this same year was 23-28. That means that 75% of the incoming class at UVA scored better than close to all but the top 25% of those at LSU.
I think that ULL could potentially set itself apart and develop a reputation as a good academic university. If given adequate funding for their academics they could choose a path for themselves where they could excel as an academic university. Without the pressures of having to perform on the athletic end like LSU money should be funneled into academics. LSU would keep its reputation as the primary public school in Louisiana and ULL becoming UL would remain where it is as the second major public university in Louisiana, but it would develop a better academic reputation in the long run simply by name recognition.
Also to the poster above. I actually do think that many of the public schools should be consolidated or demoted to 2 year junior colleges. It would kind of go in line with raising the academic standards of all of the schools. With less spots to compete for at the primary 4 year schools high school students would actually have to care to be accepted into college. They wouldn't be able to bs their way to a 2.0 average in high school and get into a 4 year school like ULM solely because they met a pretty sad minimum standard. I actually think that's why graduation rates are so low is the low standards required for admission. Freshman year at some of these schools serves as a sort of culling in which all the students that shouldn't be there fail, get discourage, and drop out. Those students would have been much better served at a junior college where things are a little harder than high school, but it allows them 2 years to transition into a real college environment.
The funny part is that none of this is designed to create a flagship status for UL over any other school in the state. The move is strictly for name branding and marketing. If UL wanted flagship status, I'm sure there would be more political benefits, not to mention budgetary advantages we would be pining for rather than using a preferred name. You've heard the other schools logic behind it. Texas, North Carolina, Cal and so on use this particular type of branding. Its not to be a flagship school, but rather, to remove the directional name for which often brings negative connotations with it. Have you seen LSU's official name? My degree from there did not say LSU. I will leave it at that. The move is not to change the name of the university, but rather, how we brand ourselves athletically. End of story.
ReplyDeleteOutspoken Southern Louisiana Catholic
ReplyDeleteJames, perhaps you should spend more time on discussing your faith and the church instead of casting aspersions and accusations (Dishonest ULL Catholics) against other Catholics. Your ignorance on the subject matter concerning the University of Louisiana in Lafayette using Louisiana to brand athletics is appalling to say the least. Did you raise such concerns in the late 90's when Louisiana-Monroe was using Louisiana on their uniforms and UL on their caps? I did a quick Google and found no mention of the subject from Opinionated Catholic in relation to ULM using the moniker first. Surely you must see the hypocrisy in your comments and those that failed to raise any question until the Cajuns begin to brand their athletics? You are clearly mixing your faith as a Catholic with your own personal bias calling out other Catholics with your rhetoric. Perhaps you and Nancy Pelosi have more in common then you actually think!